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Originally posted by Sportsfreak Sportsfreak wrote:

Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

That's a no go, these three households are not a bargaining chip, they really believe in me. 

Although I know that task at hand is tough, I am not deterred and will prospect haard. Going to work my ass off, this is my job so Im gonna give it my all
This is not your job, this is your business owner. Think like a business owner, even though right now you dont have a business.

$1.5M in a wrap account charging 1.3% is $19,500 PCs/yr. 

I don't buy mutual funds, I allocate individual stocks/some etfs and bonds~ That's my differentiation. At the investment company I worked for before I was trained under the warren buffett style of investing, value investing. I do discounted cash flow analysis to determine the future stock price and do analysis on the fundamentals of the business, ect. ect. Master in finance~
Be careful here. How are you going to find the time to do discounted cash flow analysis on all of the individual stocks you are buying for clients, and monitor those stocks, and still have the MONSTROUS amount of time you will need, to sufficiently prospect and build your book. this statement, smells like sure failure (the bold)

I am building my prospect list and have about 250, will add more doctor offices. I will try to network with doctors as clients, and I sort of know many of them just plain don't know much about money. 
You will run into lots of people who don't know much about money, but think they know as much or more than you do. Unfortunately, they won't learn the truth by talking to you, they will only learn it by blowing themselves up 7 times. And if you try to tell them the truth (that they dont know much) you will need to choose your words very carefully, or you will insult them, and lose them as prospects. Always remember that this job is 40% psychologist/55% salesman/10% 5% investment manager. If you try to make it anything else, you will fail

Time will tell, but even if I fail, I will have learned so much and if need be, move over to morgan stanley, start my own RIA, or join another RIA. 
 
That is why I chose this job, what you described sounds like so much fun~ You get to learn about people's lives, the ups and downs, the craziness and actually helping people. Sounds way more fufilling.
 
Sitting behind a desk 70 hrs a week and crunching numbers sounds like hell to me. I need to walk around, make calls, talk to people, ect
 
Ill tell you a lil story...
 

I worked freelance for a former CEO of a fortune 500 company before this job, and while we were walking on the affluent part of town he told me some things that made instant sense to me.

 

the majority of people in that neighborhood with $10million+ houses, driving the mercedes or BMW are in sales. One of the neighbors was the #1 real estate broker in the city, another one was in another sales like capacity. I consider business owner in sales too because they have clients and do business development to prospect and sell their product to more clients.

 

Rarely are doctors or lawyers wealthy (they may look it, but watch when they stop working. Their assets don't make them richer, they gotta keep working long hours). High tax bracket, capped salary. Not too many CEOs living in those neighborhoods either, just not enough of them. The corporate world is like playing Game of Thrones where only one wins out of the hundred that try to reach the top. Also a company cannot justify giving a salary of $+1 million/yr to an employee unless they are a CEO.

Last monday, I drove to the CEOs house and he decided to open an account to put in some california munis and other high quality corporates~ Although a small portion of his assets, I hope to earn the right to even ask if I could manage more of his money...

Conclusion: The people making "big ballin" money are in sales. If you don't believe me, then check out the demographic of the very very affluent...

 

Can I get $1M in revenue as a financial advisor? It is certainly possible. This profession is hard but the salary is uncapped



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Well, Apoc. I hope I am wrong about you being primarily a numbers-person because it looks like you are committed. Looking forward to following your progress.
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I would read up on interest rate risk, and bond prices before I take a starter account for a large prospect to buy AAA's and Muni's~

And how to use periods ~


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The whole advantage of being at a big wirehouse like merrill is that you have access to all of the firm's analysts so that you don't have to do stuff like DCF analysis.
 
Spend 5 minutes reading a professional research report rather than 5 hours making your own amateur one.  And no matter how qualified you think you are, in your current role as a financial advisor you will never be more than an amateur analyst.
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True,
 
Here's a tip: Do not but bond funds. In this interest rate environment, you will get fuarked in my opinion.
 
Buy either UIT's with a set maturity or individual bonds because even if the price goes down when interest rates go up, as long as you hold to maturity, you get back the entire principal and you don't care.
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I love newbies
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Originally posted by Chief Chief wrote:

I love newbies
 
Please elaborate, I would like to know your thoughts on fixed income in a rising interest rate environment~
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

Originally posted by Chief Chief wrote:

I love newbies
 
Please elaborate, I would like to know your thoughts on fixed income in a rising interest rate environment~
 
no no, i think he's asking for you to impart more of your wisdom upon us
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Sorry, drank too much coffee today~
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i'm sorry too, i'm posting here inbetween crappy coldcalls... bad habbit.
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

Originally posted by Sportsfreak Sportsfreak wrote:

Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

That's a no go, these three households are not a bargaining chip, they really believe in me. 

Although I know that task at hand is tough, I am not deterred and will prospect haard. Going to work my ass off, this is my job so Im gonna give it my all
This is not your job, this is your business owner. Think like a business owner, even though right now you dont have a business.

$1.5M in a wrap account charging 1.3% is $19,500 PCs/yr. 

I don't buy mutual funds, I allocate individual stocks/some etfs and bonds~ That's my differentiation. At the investment company I worked for before I was trained under the warren buffett style of investing, value investing. I do discounted cash flow analysis to determine the future stock price and do analysis on the fundamentals of the business, ect. ect. Master in finance~
Be careful here. How are you going to find the time to do discounted cash flow analysis on all of the individual stocks you are buying for clients, and monitor those stocks, and still have the MONSTROUS amount of time you will need, to sufficiently prospect and build your book. this statement, smells like sure failure (the bold)

I am building my prospect list and have about 250, will add more doctor offices. I will try to network with doctors as clients, and I sort of know many of them just plain don't know much about money. 
You will run into lots of people who don't know much about money, but think they know as much or more than you do. Unfortunately, they won't learn the truth by talking to you, they will only learn it by blowing themselves up 7 times. And if you try to tell them the truth (that they dont know much) you will need to choose your words very carefully, or you will insult them, and lose them as prospects. Always remember that this job is 40% psychologist/55% salesman/10% 5% investment manager. If you try to make it anything else, you will fail

Time will tell, but even if I fail, I will have learned so much and if need be, move over to morgan stanley, start my own RIA, or join another RIA. 
 
That is why I chose this job, what you described sounds like so much fun~ You get to learn about people's lives, the ups and downs, the craziness and actually helping people. Sounds way more fufilling.
 
Sitting behind a desk 70 hrs a week and crunching numbers sounds like hell to me. I need to walk around, make calls, talk to people, ect
 
Ill tell you a lil story...
 

I worked freelance for a former CEO of a fortune 500 company before this job, and while we were walking on the affluent part of town he told me some things that made instant sense to me.

 

the majority of people in that neighborhood with $10million+ houses, driving the mercedes or BMW are in sales. One of the neighbors was the #1 real estate broker in the city, another one was in another sales like capacity. I consider business owner in sales too because they have clients and do business development to prospect and sell their product to more clients.

 

Rarely are doctors or lawyers wealthy (they may look it, but watch when they stop working. Their assets don't make them richer, they gotta keep working long hours). High tax bracket, capped salary. Not too many CEOs living in those neighborhoods either, just not enough of them. The corporate world is like playing Game of Thrones where only one wins out of the hundred that try to reach the top. Also a company cannot justify giving a salary of $+1 million/yr to an employee unless they are a CEO.

Last monday, I drove to the CEOs house and he decided to open an account to put in some california munis and other high quality corporates~ Although a small portion of his assets, I hope to earn the right to even ask if I could manage more of his money...

Conclusion: The people making "big ballin" money are in sales. If you don't believe me, then check out the demographic of the very very affluent...

 

Can I get $1M in revenue as a financial advisor? It is certainly possible. This profession is hard but the salary is uncapped


1. Thank you for schooling me. (above post) Confused

2. You did not address Helado's question. Do you understand that no broker dealer would ever allow A-Shares commission to be charged in a fee based account, unless they didnt care if FINRA shut them down after their next audit? You responded with something about churning and staying below breakpoints. Helado was asking how you can buy A-Shares in a fee based account and be double dipping.

3. If you are going to buy stocks based on a dividend strategy thats fine. But dont spend time on discounted cash flow analysis - there is no need to. Get a subscription to a newsletter service that offers models. Thats what i do, so i have more time to service clients planning needs. No, i won't say which service, you obviously know everything, so i'm sure you can use Google to find it.  If you spend time on analysis, you will fail, we've already told you that, don't believe it, at your own peril.

4. You sound like a big swinging dick (without a book, though) so you should fit in well at Merrill. Best of luck to you.
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LOL
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:




So youve never seen it done where the client gets double charged? Ive seen it done several times, and the mutual funds purchased below the break point, scattered in $10,000 pieces to get the max comission. Plus churning of the account to get more commission. Ive seen it done at some third tier shops, but never ML, we get a warning and need to explain why we would do that.  Some FA's are way too greedy, so I make it a point to explain that to a prospect when I see their statement~


If you think ML has a special place in their heart for you, your family, or your clients, you need to step back up off of that and put that shit down. To answer your A share question, no, I have never seen a commissioned A share in a wrap account, unless it is load waived. In the RIA world, it is common to see a custodian retain the 12b1 in lieu of ticket charges for mutual funds, partucularly third party actively managed funds.
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Also, apac you have no fucking clue what another FA is doing when you look at a statement.  You don't know the history of the account.
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This is a troll. This has to be a troll.
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

True,
 
Here's a tip: Do not but bond funds. In this interest rate environment, you will get fuarked in my opinion.
 
Buy either UIT's with a set maturity or individual bonds because even if the price goes down when interest rates go up, as long as you hold to maturity, you get back the entire principal and you don't care.

Stop the bus, thank you for this valuable tip Ermm.
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

So youve never seen it done where the client gets double charged? Ive seen it done several times, and the mutual funds purchased below the break point, scattered in $10,000 pieces to get the max comission. Plus churning of the account to get more commission. Ive seen it done at some third tier shops, but never ML, we get a warning and need to explain why we would do that.  Some FA's are way too greedy, so I make it a point to explain that to a prospect when I see their statement~

No, you didn't see that.  You're an incompetent little twat that thinks he saw something that he never really saw.  You aren't going to try and gain traction in this business slandering other advisors for practices that don't happen, and for things that don't exist.

There are no registered firms that allow their FAs to sell A-shares, avoid breakpoints, and then immediately wrap that money.  You're delusional.  Maybe some idiots here believe your story, but anyone with a brain doesn't.  
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The worst case I ever saw was my sister's 401k rollover put into a variable annuity in an IRA with a 12 year surrender.
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Bullshit.  I've never seen a VA with a 12 year surrender.  Name the contract.  
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