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RIArules
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 12:23am |
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Allianz, can't name the contract, it had an enhanced death benefit for her dipshit husband, and that was all. No lies here, it was one of the first things I looked at.
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 12:31am |
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Name the contract. I don't know of any Allianz contract ever that had a 12 year surrender. 9 years, yes. 12, no.
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 12:37am |
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It was inherited by Allianz, and it was a shithook Scandanavian name. I would fax you the statement, but it's still in surrender and below your limit. I'm not lying.
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 12:56am |
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I don't have a limit. And I still don't think a 12 year CDSC exists on a VA. Maybe it's something for a rider...
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 1:03am |
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12 year, I shit you not.
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 1:05am |
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Still waiting for the name of the contract...
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 1:09am |
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Mother fucker. I guess I cant give that to you now. You can email me, the rep I left her with still rails about it too.
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 1:16am |
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Uh huh.
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Posted: Oct/11/2014 at 10:24am |
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Probably an old EIA
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If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, then technically, you only had one piece
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apac707
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 11:08am |
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Lol, this thread has taken a turn for the worse. There's some characters haha
And no I am not slandering FA's~
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 11:45am |
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Apac, how do you plan on getting in front of people?
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 11:52am |
apac, please don't take this personally but listen to the advice your'e being given here. I was a former Merrill guy as well who successfully graduated from POA during the 2008 market meltdown. It's a different program in many ways and I certainly admire your tenacity for prospecting. However, don't be jaded or overstate what you think you can do. Much of the success in this industry has to do with good ole fashioned hard work but a good amount more has to do with LUCK, pure and simple. That being said, family accounts to start are nice but it's dry powder. It gives you a head start but the rubber meets the road from there on out. Things get extremely hard, not because you aren't a great FA who cares about his clients but because the prospect you're talking to has zero interest in moving assets to meet your production timeline. That's one of the most difficult issues with these FA training programs - i.e., you need X in assets by the end of the month. Your pipeline looks good but the prospect won't or can't move his feet fast enough. The muckety-mucks in management won't give a crap, trust me. Learn this lesson and learn it well and you'll be much better off for it. Management is blowing smoke up your ass right now telling you how wonderful you are and how much they believe in you. Pretty soon you'll be just like the other hapless "victims" that have waltzed through their door in droves. In a way, they WANT you to fail. You'll do the dirty work for about a year prospecting new business and you'll fail out and they'll reclaim the accounts with the guys in the corner offices. Also, do NOT get bogged down into this "I have a masters in Finance and can pick stocks like Buffett" nonsense. You don't have the time to analyze and pick stocks all day. In fact, you can't spare an HOUR of time each day to do that. Learn to use managed money from Day 1 - mutual funds, ETFs, SMAs - that's it. The day you start crunching DCF models and trying to figure out the Macaulay Duration of a bond is the day you start failing out. You need to focus on prospecting 100% of the day and you need to do it better than anyone in the office. Get to work by 7 am. Don't leave until 7 or 8 pm. Spend half your Saturday there as well. Do this for two years and you'll be on your way. Also, know this - your success in this industry doesn't just hinge on your graduating PMD. Many graduates fail out of the industry after that point because when they go to pure commissions they can't support themselves or their families financially. Your timeline is 5 years. Within the wirehouse structure, you need to be hitting 200k or more in PCs by that point in time. Best of luck.
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 11:59am |
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Ways I plan on getting clients:
1. ask friends and family aka "the low hanging fruit". So far $1.5M from 3 households, more to come 2. Alumni directory from undergrad and grad. I have googled notable CEO's, presidents, and board officers that went to my school and looked up their phone number and mailing address. I have yet to decide how ill connect with them, but perhaps a combo of mailing, email, and cold call 3. I am compiling a list of medical offices. Targeting single practioners and boutiques with 0-5 employees. Im gonna ask them about their employee plans and segway to help the doctor with his/her investments and retirement 4. Access the database for physicians that are specialized and self-employed (radiologists, ect.) and do a combo of mailings, cold walk ins, and such 5. Door knocking residential neighborhoods 6. Cold calling, but tee up the call by mailing first so they sorta know me before i call 7. Set up seminars, educational in nature at various locations including public libraries, hotels, hospitals, ect. if all else fails, ill go inside a bank of america branch and get warm referrals. ML has a new program where a PMD can go inside a Bank of America branch and be the designated FA there. Im actually meeting up with the complex director next week to learn more about this opportunity. The great thing is, if I qualify, I can go solo and not have to team up with anyone. Any insight would be helpful |
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 12:04pm |
Apac, you're dead wrong here with your assumptions, but more troubling is you are arguing with veterans of an industry that you are a rookie in. That "know it all" mentality is going to kill you. In a wrap account, the mutual funds used are either load-waived A shares, or more commonly, Institutional shares where there is no upfront or back-end load and the internal cost structure is generally akin to a managed ETF. So, there isn't "double charging" taking place unless you've seemed to have found the rare FA who was incorrectly using the wrong share class of mutual funds in the wrap structure. I assure you that a firm like ML will block trades in those shares in such an account. In addition, there is really no such thing as "churning" in a wrap structure and in fact, one of the touted benefits of this type of account is that trades are made without commissions or transaction costs.
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 12:14pm |
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I can fax you the statement at the little shop that charged a $1500 wrap fee, put the funds in mutual fund a shares, and added a $1200 financial planning fee on top. BTW this was for a $120k account :(
And every 14 months, switched out of one bond fund to another to get more a share commissions~ I admit, I was not aware that A share load fees are waived in a wrap. I assumed otherwise because when I looked up the funds there was a % fee upfront for that particular ticker.
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 12:48pm |
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 12:53pm |
That does seem crazy and certainly expensive, but it's not common. Again, most reputable B/D's- wirehouse, regional, Indy, etc. all have compliance restrictions in place preventing these practices. Also, how do you see a $1200 planning fee on a statement? Usually those fees are invoiced to the client directly. Also, are you actually seeing the commission on the A share? Simply holding one in the wrap account might be another story. They could also be positions that were imported from a previous firm where the account was a taxable (non-wrap) account and the FA/client needs to manage a potential tax hit from selling those shares.
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 1:19pm |
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I'll throw my hat in here:
The A shares being used in the wrap account (unless they were transferred in from Ed Jones) never had a load. My guess is that the institutional class was not available to the advisor. I've seen compliance allow some weird stuff (VA with no riders in an IRA), but charging a fee after being charge a commission would not be allowed. Money management - The people you are talking about are paying $1500 annually on $120k, which is 1.25%. You said you would be charging 1.3% on $1.5mm of FAMILY money. So you will be charging more than the advisor you are railing against. With no experience or credentials you will be charging more of your friends and family than this advisor was charging a complete stranger. Think about that for a second. The clients were charged $1200 planning fee. What did the client get for this fee? What is the advisors experience? Credentials? I am 100% positive the client willingly agreed to paying a separate fee for the planning, and received something in return. As others have pointed out your job in year 1-5 is to find and bring in clients. If you want to "do discounted cash flow analysis to determine the future stock price and do analysis on the fundamentals of the business, ect. ect." do it from 5am-6am and 8pm-10pm, or get a job as an Jr advisor/analyst for someone that already has a book of business. |
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 1:19pm |
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Posted: Oct/15/2014 at 1:40pm |
Thanks for your 2 cents. Criticizm actually feeds me My background: master in finance, fixed income trader, trained under a mentor who taught me value investing, have been managing money since 2010. I do not much experience as a salesman or the wirehouse culture,. My mentor started his own RIA and was more about financial planning, tax planning, estates, trusts, investments, ect. So I can see if people on this board started their career from a wirehouse, they have a different mentality. I was trained from a small RIA, and learned their system of value investing. I'll spend maybe one hour of concentrated study every sunday on the investments...but really they are dividend bluechip companies. They are not some biotech or technology growth stocks that you gotta manage everyday.... Ultimately, I will follow what my teachers have done and start my own RIA. Never going to dilute my training, everyone does it differently. Some people are more investment oriented, others wholistic wealth, others more salesmen. I choose investments... But I understand your concern, you see things through a diff lens
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