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Allianz, can't name the contract, it had an enhanced death benefit for her dipshit husband, and that was all. No lies here, it was one of the first things I looked at.
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Name the contract.  I don't know of any Allianz contract ever that had a 12 year surrender.  9 years, yes.  12, no.  
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It was inherited by Allianz, and it was a shithook Scandanavian name. I would fax you the statement, but it's still in surrender and below your limit. I'm not lying.
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I don't have a limit.  And I still don't think a 12 year CDSC exists on a VA.  Maybe it's something for a rider...
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12 year, I shit you not.
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Still waiting for the name of the contract...
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Mother fucker. I guess I cant give that to you now. You can email me, the rep I left her with still rails about it too.
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Uh huh.  Wink
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Probably an old EIA
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Lol, this thread has taken a turn for the worse. There's some characters haha
 
And no I am not slandering FA's~
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Apac, how do you plan on getting in front of people?
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

That's a no go, these three households are not a bargaining chip, they really believe in me. 

Although I know that task at hand is tough, I am not deterred and will prospect haard. Going to work my ass off, this is my job so Im gonna give it my all

$1.5M in a wrap account charging 1.3% is $19,500 PCs/yr. 

I don't buy mutual funds, I allocate individual stocks/some etfs and bonds~ That's my differentiation. At the investment company I worked for before I was trained under the warren buffett style of investing, value investing. I do discounted cash flow analysis to determine the future stock price and do analysis on the fundamentals of the business, ect. ect. Master in finance~

I am building my prospect list and have about 250, will add more doctor offices. I will try to network with doctors as clients, and I sort of know many of them just plain don't know much about money. 

Time will tell, but even if I fail, I will have learned so much and if need be, move over to morgan stanley, start my own RIA, or join another RIA. 

apac, please don't take this personally but listen to the advice your'e being given here.  I was a former Merrill guy as well who successfully graduated from POA during the 2008 market meltdown.  It's a different program in many ways and I certainly admire your tenacity for prospecting.  However, don't be jaded or overstate what you think you can do.  Much of the success in this industry has to do with good ole fashioned hard work but a good amount more has to do with LUCK, pure and simple.  

That being said, family accounts to start are nice but it's dry powder.  It gives you a head start but the rubber meets the road from there on out.  Things get extremely hard, not because you aren't a great FA who cares about his clients but because the prospect you're talking to has zero interest in moving assets to meet your production timeline.  That's one of the most difficult issues with these FA training programs - i.e., you need X in assets by the end of the month.  Your pipeline looks good but the prospect won't or can't move his feet fast enough.  The muckety-mucks in management won't give a crap, trust me.  

Learn this lesson and learn it well and you'll be much better off for it.  Management is blowing smoke up your ass right now telling you how wonderful you are and how much they believe in you.  Pretty soon you'll be just like the other hapless "victims" that have waltzed through their door in droves.  In a way, they WANT you to fail.  You'll do the dirty work for about a year prospecting new business and you'll fail out and they'll reclaim the accounts with the guys in the corner offices.

Also, do NOT get bogged down into this "I have a masters in Finance and can pick stocks like Buffett" nonsense.  You don't have the time to analyze and pick stocks all day.  In fact, you can't spare an HOUR of time each day to do that.  Learn to use managed money from Day 1 - mutual funds, ETFs, SMAs - that's it.  The day you start crunching DCF models and trying to figure out the Macaulay Duration of a bond is the day you start failing out.  

You need to focus on prospecting 100% of the day and you need to do it better than anyone in the office.  Get to work by 7 am.  Don't leave until 7 or 8 pm.  Spend half your Saturday there as well.  Do this for two years and you'll be on your way. 

Also, know this - your success in this industry doesn't just hinge on your graduating PMD.  Many graduates fail out of the industry after that point because when they go to pure commissions they can't support themselves or their families financially.  Your timeline is 5 years.  Within the wirehouse structure, you need to be hitting 200k or more in PCs by that point in time.  

Best of luck.
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Ways I plan on getting clients:
1. ask friends and family aka "the low hanging fruit". So far $1.5M from 3 households, more to come
2. Alumni directory from undergrad and grad. I have googled notable CEO's, presidents, and board officers that went to my school and looked up their phone number and mailing address. I have yet to decide how ill connect with them, but perhaps a combo of mailing, email, and cold call
3. I am compiling a list of medical offices. Targeting single practioners and boutiques with 0-5 employees. Im gonna ask them about their employee plans and segway to help the doctor with his/her investments and retirement
4. Access the database for physicians that are specialized and self-employed (radiologists, ect.) and do a combo of mailings, cold walk ins, and such
5. Door knocking residential neighborhoods
6. Cold calling, but tee up the call by mailing first so they sorta know me before i call
7. Set up seminars, educational in nature at various locations including public libraries, hotels, hospitals, ect.
 
if all else fails, ill go inside a bank of america branch and get warm referrals.
 
ML has a new program where a PMD can go inside a Bank of America branch and be the designated FA there. Im actually meeting up with the complex director next week to learn more about this opportunity. The great thing is, if I qualify, I can go solo and not have to team up with anyone.
 
Any insight would be helpful
 
 
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

So youve never seen it done where the client gets double charged? Ive seen it done several times, and the mutual funds purchased below the break point, scattered in $10,000 pieces to get the max comission. Plus churning of the account to get more commission. Ive seen it done at some third tier shops, but never ML, we get a warning and need to explain why we would do that.  Some FA's are way too greedy, so I make it a point to explain that to a prospect when I see their statement~

Apac, you're dead wrong here with your assumptions, but more troubling is you are arguing with veterans of an industry that you are a rookie in.  That "know it all" mentality is going to kill you.

In a wrap account, the mutual funds used are either load-waived A shares, or more commonly, Institutional shares where there is no upfront or back-end load and the internal cost structure is generally akin to a managed ETF.  So, there isn't "double charging" taking place unless you've seemed to have found the rare FA who was incorrectly using the wrong share class of mutual funds in the wrap structure.  I assure you that a firm like ML will block trades in those shares in such an account.

In addition, there is really no such thing as "churning" in a wrap structure and in fact, one of the touted benefits of this type of account is that trades are made without commissions or transaction costs.  
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I can fax you the statement at the little shop that charged a $1500 wrap fee, put the funds in mutual fund a shares, and added a $1200 financial planning fee on top. BTW this was for a $120k account :(
 
And every 14 months, switched out of one bond fund to another to get more a share commissions~
 
I admit, I was not aware that A share load fees are waived in a wrap. I assumed otherwise because when I looked up the funds there was a % fee upfront for that particular ticker.


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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

Ways I plan on getting clients:
1. ask friends and family aka "the low hanging fruit". So far $1.5M from 3 households, more to come

Good start, don't get complacent.  Oh and avoid putting them into the various BoFA products like checking accounts, credit cards, etc.  ML management will tell you how "sticky" it makes the "relationship," but it's sticky to THEM, not you.  When you leave the firm (and you likely will one day), it's a pain in the ass to move these accounts.  
2. Alumni directory from undergrad and grad. I have googled notable CEO's, presidents, and board officers that went to my school and looked up their phone number and mailing address. I have yet to decide how ill connect with them, but perhaps a combo of mailing, email, and cold call

Not the approach you want to take with C-level executives.  Think how receptive you are to a cold call from a saleman.  Do you think the CEO of a big company will appreciate it?  More than likely their number will be DNC and if you try to call their place of business, good luck getting past one of their 10 different admin assistants.  You are better off attempting to travel in similar circles, networking, etc. if you know where they frequent.  Become familiar with their interests, take a genuine interest in them and over time it MAY pay off.  This type of prospecting is "elephant hunting."  Trust me, don't spend a considerable amount of time doing this.  You're better off shooting the squirrels and rabbits early on.  More likely to do business with you.  Most CEOs and higher ups are not going to work with a rookie FA.  I don't care if you're Benjamin Graham's great-grandson.  You have little to no experience and more than likely these people have a trusted advisor who was referred to them long ago.  
3. I am compiling a list of medical offices. Targeting single practioners and boutiques with 0-5 employees. Im gonna ask them about their employee plans and segway to help the doctor with his/her investments and retirement

Good approach.  Most Doctors won't have time to discuss their plans but the key is convincing them of any glaring holes.  You'd be wise to learn about ERISA 408(b) and the new rules that plans should comply with under the fiduciary obligation. 
4. Access the database for physicians that are specialized and self-employed (radiologists, ect.) and do a combo of mailings, cold walk ins, and such

Might not be a bad idea.  I might suggest spending your time and energy going to industry events and networking with them instead.
5. Door knocking residential neighborhoods

Any neighborhood worth your time will have no solicit rules in place.  The people you want to talk to won't be home during the day.  You might be better off sending them literature and following up with them at night.  Keep in mind, however that residential calling is tough these days.  Most hh's are on the DNC list and the others will see the "Merrill Lynch" pop up on their caller ID and won't pick up.  
6. Cold calling, but tee up the call by mailing first so they sorta know me before i call

See above.  You should consider cold calling businesses early in the day instead.
7. Set up seminars, educational in nature at various locations including public libraries, hotels, hospitals, ect.

Good idea.  Target your audience.  Public libraries are cost effective but typically draw in people with no money.  If you can get in with a local company and do lunch-and-learn presentations that would be best.
 
if all else fails, ill go inside a bank of america branch and get warm referrals.

It's always good to have options. 
ML has a new program where a PMD can go inside a Bank of America branch and be the designated FA there. Im actually meeting up with the complex director next week to learn more about this opportunity. The great thing is, if I qualify, I can go solo and not have to team up with anyone.
 
Any insight would be helpful
 
 
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Originally posted by apac707 apac707 wrote:

I can fax you the statement at the little shop that charged a $1500 wrap fee, put the funds in mutual fund a shares, and added a $1200 financial planning fee on top. BTW this was for a $120k account :(
 
And every 14 months, switched out of one bond fund to another to get more a share commissions~
 
I admit, I was not aware that A share load fees are waived in a wrap. I assumed otherwise because when I looked up the funds there was a % fee upfront for that particular ticker.

That does seem crazy and certainly expensive, but it's not common.  Again, most reputable B/D's- wirehouse, regional, Indy, etc. all have compliance restrictions in place preventing these practices.  Also, how do you see a $1200 planning fee on a statement?  Usually those fees are invoiced to the client directly.  Also, are you actually seeing the commission on the A share?  Simply holding one in the wrap account might be another story.  They could also be positions that were imported from a previous firm where the account was a taxable (non-wrap) account and the FA/client needs to manage a potential tax hit from selling those shares.  
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I'll throw my hat in here:

The A shares being used in the wrap account (unless they were transferred in from Ed Jones) never had a load.  My guess is that the institutional class was not available to the advisor.  I've seen compliance allow some weird stuff (VA with no riders in an IRA), but charging a fee after being charge a commission would not be allowed.

Money management - The people you are talking about are paying $1500 annually on $120k, which is 1.25%.  You said you would be charging 1.3% on $1.5mm of FAMILY money.  So you will be charging more than the advisor you are railing against.  With no experience or credentials you will be charging more of your friends and family than this advisor was charging a complete stranger.  Think about that for a second.

The clients were charged $1200 planning fee.  What did the client get for this fee?  What is the advisors experience? Credentials?  I am 100% positive the client willingly agreed to paying a separate fee for the planning, and received something in return.  

As others have pointed out your job in year 1-5 is to find and bring in clients.  If you want to "do discounted cash flow analysis to determine the future stock price and do analysis on the fundamentals of the business, ect. ect." do it from 5am-6am and 8pm-10pm, or get a job as an Jr advisor/analyst for someone that already has a book of business.  


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Originally posted by Hacksaw Hacksaw wrote:

I'll throw my hat in here:

The A shares being used in the wrap account (unless they were transferred in from Ed Jones) never had a load.  My guess is that the institutional class was not available to the advisor.  I've seen compliance allow some weird stuff (VA with no riders in an IRA), but charging a fee after being charge a commission would not be allowed.

Money management - The people you are talking about are paying $1500 annually on $120k, which is 1.25%.  You said you would be charging 1.3% on $1.5mm of FAMILY money.  So you will be charging more than the advisor you are railing against.  With no experience or credentials you will be charging more of your friends and family than this advisor was charging a complete stranger.  Think about that for a second.

The clients were charged $1200 planning fee.  What did the client get for this fee?  What is the advisors experience? Credentials?  I am 100% positive the client willingly agreed to paying a separate fee for the planning, and received something in return.  

As others have pointed out your job in year 1-5 is to find and bring in clients.  If you want to "do discounted cash flow analysis to determine the future stock price and do analysis on the fundamentals of the business, ect. ect." do it from 5am-6am and 8pm-10pm, or get a job as an Jr advisor/analyst for someone that already has a book of business.  


 
Thanks for your 2 cents. Criticizm actually feeds me
 
My background: master in finance, fixed income trader, trained under a mentor who taught me value investing, have been managing money since 2010.
 
I do not much experience as a salesman or the wirehouse culture,. My mentor started his own RIA and was more about financial planning, tax planning, estates, trusts, investments, ect.
 
So I can see if people on this board started their career from a wirehouse, they have a different mentality. I was trained from a small RIA, and learned their system of value investing. I'll spend maybe one hour of concentrated study every sunday on the investments...but really they are dividend bluechip companies. They are not some biotech or technology growth stocks that you gotta manage everyday....
 
Ultimately, I will follow what my teachers have done and start my own RIA. Never going to dilute my training, everyone does it differently. Some people are more investment oriented, others wholistic wealth, others more salesmen. I choose investments...
 
But I understand your concern, you see things through a diff lens


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