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Hey guys, I'm new and independent and looking to build my business by doorknocking.  I know it will be tough but my hope is to aim to do a mix of knocking (evening)/cold calling (during the day)  on 20,000 doors in the next year or so and I believe that number is a good measure to see if if it's worth it to stay in the business or not.  I have heard that the main reason people fail in this business is because they don't make contact with enough people and not because they are not driven or don't know what to say.  I honestly believe that speaking to enough people will lead to experience on what to say

What are your thoughts guys and how can I get access to read some of the posts on prospecting.  I've read a few at WealthManagement but I was told this is better so here I am.  Please advise and give some tips.  Thanks
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If you knock on that many doors you will build a huge practice.

There is almost no chance you'll knock on that many doors.

Good luck!
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76 doors a day for 261 working days in a year. It's not crazy. Do it for 3 yrs and you'll make it
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Thanks for the replies guys.  Just to clarify, I have set that 20,000 mark as a way to fight the negative thoughts that this doesn't work and make that my goal.  I was given a book to read called "Go For No" and that's really changed my perspective in terms of what my objective is when I knock on doors - instead of expecing to get yes and be disappointed, change my objective to go for what I do expect to happen which is people laughing me off their porch and telling me they're well taken care of by their current advisor.  If I can get to about 80-100 doors a day and aim to get 30-40 No's in a working day to me that means I'm talking to people as the poster SometimesNowhere (I think that's his name) said about the secret being just talking to enough people.  

I guess the key lesson I've learnt so far from reading a few posts here is that it's possible for anyone as long as you put in honest intelligent work
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Ask Wolf how many doors he hits in a day. 100 doors a day won't be your problem. It will be sticking to it for 250+ days a year. Been awhile for me, but I'm thinking 100 doors gets you 15 prospects on a great day. 7-10 on a bad day
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On average, 4 hours of DKing will get me about about 6 numbers. In almost 13 months I have over 10,000 knocked doors. I agree, the hard part is keeping the pace up. I would have 20k if I was able to do 80 a day for 260 days a year.
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About 3 months ago I settled on 50 doors a day no matter what. Now, do I ALWAYS do 50 doors a day? No. Why? Because it's a challenge to be honest to be that disciplined.

With that said, 50 doors takes me between 45-100 minutes.,big range because there are a lot of variables: time of day, distance between houses, amount of opens, etc.

50 doors between the hours 4-6:30 yields me about 30-35 conversations and about 10-12 phone numbers.

But the reason I created this thread...http://www.advisorheads.com/edward-jones-5-months-into-selling_topic14477.html...is everything I just typed is really irrelevant. If you actually knock on 20k doors in your first year, you'll be a stud.
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Fubu,

First thing you need to do is buy the book by Nick Murray called "The Game of Numbers." It's so good, you can finish it in a few hours. It's the holy grail of advice for new advisors starting out with $0 AUM which I'm assuming you are.

Second, like Fitness said, you need to set a goal of prospecting approaches you do per day. As you will learn in the book, prospecting is just like anything else. Wanna start working out? How suitable is it to workout day 1 for 3 hours? Your goal is to run a mile without stopping yet you are 350lbs and haven't ran in 10+ years? How's that going to workout if you try to run the full distance the starting day of your challenge?

I made a thread over on the prospecting and marketing page titled "The 500 Day War." It documents my struggles and successes. It's pretty cool and I have had amazing feedback from it. I'm almost on Day 400 out of 500 and I can tell your from first hand experience, this is a fucking grind both mentally and physically.

Not saying you can't do it, but knocking on 20,000 doors in 1 year is no joke. I've knocked on 5,000+ doors the past 8 months and that's a lot of doors my friend. Here's what you have to factor in though. Appointments scheduled that day, weather, interruptions (we all have them), distance between homes, and what doors are you knocking on? For example, my approach is different. I will NOT knock on a door with garages down and lights off. I only knock where I see life. Garage opened, car in drive way, storm door open, lights on, etc. Am I probably missing a lot of contacts by not doing that? Sure, but again, this is a game of numbers. I play towards the stats of how many people answer with garages down. Less than 10%. 

To sum this up, I'm going to reference Murray again. The perfect example of this job goes like this. You walk into a casino and I point to a slot machine and tell you, "Fubu, that slot machine is going to pay you $1million dollars. All you have to do is pull the lever 50,000 times. Once you hit pull 50,000, the machine is going to pay you $1million dollars. Here's the catch Fubu, on every pull, something is going to happen. One time you pull, you're going to get yelled at and cussed out. Another pull, you're going to get a revolver pulled on you and pointed right at your head (true story happened to me not too long ago), and another pull you're going to get dogs barking at you wanting to bite your leg off. Also, you're going to sweat, get cops called on you, be posted on numerous Facebook homeowner pages, be so tired and mentally drained you can't seem to pull another time, and viewed by 99% of people as scum.


Fact: I'm a few years away from 30 years old and I'll be a million dollar producer in 5 years or less starting from $0 AUM in a town where I didn't know a soul. 

I tell you that not to brag, but show you that it can be done. It just takes a lot of hard fucking work and balls of steel.

Are you willing to do it?



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A revolver and neighborhood Facebook pages?!? Damn bro. I haven't had anything like that. I do carry pepper spray for dogs though. Had a few close calls but haven't had to pull the trigger fortunately.

I definitely echo the nick Murray plug. I read game of numbers regularly.

Another piece of advice from a fellow Door knocker...try really hard to not fall behind whatever your production standards are. I say that because DKing is the worst when you feel like you ABSOLUTELY NEED 15 numbers today. My best DKing is always right after I transfer in some solid assets--makes DKing much easier mentally.

Like everyone , you'll have to learn this the hard way I'm sure

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Is the consensus to pretty much DK between the hours of 4-7 pm? Also, logistically, do you just park your car on the street and walk up and back or hop in the car each time? Just got my package of 2,000 biz cards in the mail and going to start this DK'ing saga Monday.. you crazy EJ bastards.
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Again, based on my experience, I try and do my 50 door minimum any time I have time. If I start thinking about the optimal time to go next thing I know "I don't have time" or "I'm too busy." Evenings and Saturdays are best, but those are also the best times for appointments so something's gotta give. Balancing all this shit is a bitch.

As far as the logistics...don't over think it. Pick a spot Park and get your happy ass out the car as fast as possible. You start thinking of the "best spot to park" you'll be driving around til it's time to go home haha.

Step one: knock on doors
Step two: figure out the best way to do it.

Good luck

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I park on the street and walk the entire time. 4-7 is good but 4-8 is better. I think wolf said he drives to each house. I wouldn't mind doing that if my car didn't sound like a weedwacker. 
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Thanks a lot guys!!! That's some incredible advice and counsel.  I didn't want to be redundant and ask questions that have been addressed well in other posts but unfortunately I don't have or don't know how to access to the "Prospecting Forum" to be able to read the "500 Day War" and "Edward Jones 5 Months..." so I decided to put out the question in the open forum.  Someone else was telling me about the Nick Murray book and I will definitely pick that up and read it as I go along.  Doorknocking isn't something that I would have picked as my first tactic but I see it as a way to do something where there isn't a lot of competition and challenging myself

I agree completely that consistency and doing 80 doors a day for 260+ days will be the greatest challenge and thanks for pointing that out to me.  If I can even hit close to that I think I will be pleased.  I think that my goal is to reach that 20,000 mark no matter how long it takes, 1 years, 2 years 3 years who knows, I just hope to hit it.  I hadn't thought about the fact that you have to factor in appointments, weather, the wife needing some errands run etc but I hope I can be displined

I don't live in Texas like my sister so I hope noone pulls a gun on me or calls the cops.  Question though:  you guys had your standard of which house you would not stop by so you could be efficient like the closed garage door and no sign of life; in terms of meeting  a person who doesn't give you their name or number but you got a sense that you just had to engage them a little bit more.  How did you strategize or plan to go back to that house maybe 2 or 3 more times to continue the conversation without having used Whitepages?  Do you guys actually go back or do you take the idea that if you knock once and noone answers or they say no you dont go back?  I know it's a little different in small towns but I live in  metro city so a lot of doors

Appreciate the advice guys 
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So, you are both new and independent? Is that correct? Are you saying you're without industry experience? Or just haven't done DKing?
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I downloaded the app Spotio and pay $20/month. Its great for door to door sales. Helps me keep track of every door on the fly and takes notes on it. Best investment for a new guy. After I get their name and number I use whitepages tha tnight or next morning to verify that I spelled their name right and got the right address then I send them I one sentence "Joe, It was a pleasure meeting you the other day.  - DaBomb". 
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Hey Fitness,

I'me somewhat relatively new to investment business and indy and mainly did cold-calling.  I was focused on disability insurance and life but over time I've realized that using the same energy to grow investment assets will help to build an annuity and the assets are 'stickier' meaning that the money is there already and unless you really mess up people won't transfer out to another broker.  The tough part about insurance is you always have tom find new clients and even when you do find someone interested you are limited by budget, their health and the insurance companies decision to insure them
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Gotcha.

I wouldn't worry too much about repeats right now unless of course they express a desire to do business. Like wolf said, when you first start you're looking for nothing more than incremental improvement, meaning start with simply going out consistently--experience it for what it is (and isn't). Then look to refine your approach and create weekly/monthly goals.

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Couple of other points from my experience DK- you're mainly looking for phone numbers at the door and a bit of financial info. You're not really selling except yourself and an appt. If they haven't started saving already, move on. You aren't going to get them to start either. I liked 9-11:30, because retirees are home. All their money is fair game and they already have their nest egg.

Fitness- stop taking appts on evenings and weekends. I'll make an exception, but you don't want a pile of clients who always expect you at those times. Anyone who is legitimately interested and has the kind of money you're looking for can make time 8-5. Doctors and attorneys won't meet them at these times and it makes you seem desperate IMO. Respect your schedule and they will too
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Originally posted by Fitness1983 Fitness1983 wrote:


Step one: knock on doors
Step two: figure out the best way to do it.

Good luck


This truly is the best advice.  Write all the scripts you want.  Practice all you want.  Read all the DK forums.  Then you get out and throw it all out.  You'll figure it out fairly quick if you just jump out and do it. 
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