Advisorheads Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Introductions > Greenhorn Introductions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 15 years in business... Legal question
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

15 years in business... Legal question

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
Author
Message
Careful Investor View Drop Down
Rookie
Rookie


Joined: May/09/2014
Status: Offline
Points: 7
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Careful Investor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2014 at 5:46pm
Thanks, everyone, for the input. Well, doesn't sound good for me, then.

Can you sue for defamation and keep your job?

1) The amount of loss is under $15k but the client claims it's $16k. Demonstrably false.

2) It's a brokerage account, holding assets I did not buy for them. It's not an unsuitable recommendation; I didn't recommend the bonds.

3) I have on record where I told this person "Either sell the bonds now, right now, at $770, or be ready for further volatility. This is not going to be easy" They sold at 50 cents on the dollar, months after getting a letter from me, saying same.

At the crux is whether it's even definable as an unsuitable recommendation. If it's a SERVICE issue, i.e. why didn't I call them every day to tell them the new price of the bonds, then it's not reportable. I don't know what the rule is for under $15k right now. I have read conflicting statements on where we are as of 2010.

My compliance person says it's a service issue, and posted it to Legal that way. We shall see.
Back to Top
Iamlegend View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: Mar/09/2010
Status: Offline
Points: 23766
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Iamlegend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2014 at 5:54pm
It is reportable simply because they complain. The merit doesn't matter.
Back to Top
Careful Investor View Drop Down
Rookie
Rookie


Joined: May/09/2014
Status: Offline
Points: 7
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Careful Investor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2014 at 8:08pm
Well, no, I understand the merit part, but the straw that my compliance team is hanging onto is that it was a brokerage account, not being paid for advice, in other words, and I didn't make an unsuitable recco, since I didn't sell the bond. It's like complaining that E*TRADE didn't call you to tell you the bond you bought, unsolicited, had dropped.

Like I said, we'll see. Clearly, I want to believe they're right and that I'll be alright :) Doesn't help that I knew this woman was a bad person, and I have plenty of business. I should have fired her years ago. She's a liar and a nasty person, period. She took up scads of time and was a soul sucker, and being a professional for 6 years with her didn't stop her from turning into a problem when it suited her.
Back to Top
Careful Investor View Drop Down
Rookie
Rookie


Joined: May/09/2014
Status: Offline
Points: 7
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Careful Investor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2014 at 8:09pm
Oh, when I say "didn't sell the bond", I mean that I never bought it in the first place. This was not my buy. She came to me with it in her account already.
Back to Top
Iamlegend View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: Mar/09/2010
Status: Offline
Points: 23766
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Iamlegend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2014 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by Careful Investor Careful Investor wrote:

Well, no, I understand the merit part, but the straw that my compliance team is hanging onto is that it was a brokerage account, not being paid for advice, in other words, and I didn't make an unsuitable recco, since I didn't sell the bond. It's like complaining that E*TRADE didn't call you to tell you the bond you bought, unsolicited, had dropped.

Like I said, we'll see. Clearly, I want to believe they're right and that I'll be alright :) Doesn't help that I knew this woman was a bad person, and I have plenty of business. I should have fired her years ago. She's a liar and a nasty person, period. She took up scads of time and was a soul sucker, and being a professional for 6 years with her didn't stop her from turning into a problem when it suited her.

It is likely the claim will be dismissed and found to be without merit, but the complaint will still be on your record.
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 8:04am
Originally posted by Iamlegend Iamlegend wrote:

Originally posted by Careful Investor Careful Investor wrote:

Well, no, I understand the merit part, but the straw that my compliance team is hanging onto is that it was a brokerage account, not being paid for advice, in other words, and I didn't make an unsuitable recco, since I didn't sell the bond. It's like complaining that E*TRADE didn't call you to tell you the bond you bought, unsolicited, had dropped.

Like I said, we'll see. Clearly, I want to believe they're right and that I'll be alright :) Doesn't help that I knew this woman was a bad person, and I have plenty of business. I should have fired her years ago. She's a liar and a nasty person, period. She took up scads of time and was a soul sucker, and being a professional for 6 years with her didn't stop her from turning into a problem when it suited her.

It is likely the claim will be dismissed and found to be without merit, but the complaint will still be on your record.


^This.  Similar thing happened to me.  Still there, staring me in the face.

I always get it out of the way.  I have a print out of the whole complaint and dismissal.  I highlight the areas where it says "This complaint was dismissed with prejudice". 
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 10:55am
I have never had a prospect or client even mention Broker Check.
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 11:04am
Yeah but it's on the disclosures (brochure aupplement/ADV) you give with every advisory account you open. If they sift through there and look at it it could be an issue.

Edited by under_complicated - May/11/2014 at 11:05am
Back to Top
BigCheese View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: Feb/28/2012
Status: Offline
Points: 2791
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BigCheese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 11:13am
Beginning to think RIA maybe the only way to avoid FINRA...for now.
Back to Top
City1134 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: Jul/16/2011
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 3066
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote City1134 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 11:23am
Originally posted by helado helado wrote:

I have never had a prospect or client even mention Broker Check.



I doubt that hardly any of then know and off the ones that do, the ones that actually read everything,I'm guessing you're looking at a pretty small group of people. Just another reason I like c shares in brokerage over advisory.
Back to Top
Sportsfreak View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar
Wise Old Perv and CTO of AH

Joined: Mar/09/2010
Status: Offline
Points: 25709
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sportsfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by City1134 City1134 wrote:

Originally posted by helado helado wrote:

I have never had a prospect or client even mention Broker Check.



I doubt that hardly any of then know and off the ones that do, the ones that actually read everything,I'm guessing you're looking at a pretty small group of people. Just another reason I like c shares in brokerage over advisory.

You would be surprised. There are a lot of people who hire an advisor but like to be involved or at least educated, about the markets and the investment world. Even if they are idiots, those people read Kiplingers and other bullshit publications, some of them watch Suzie Orman on Dyke TV, and other stuff like it. Those people ALL know about brokercheck.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, then technically, you only had one piece
Back to Top
Sportsfreak View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar
Wise Old Perv and CTO of AH

Joined: Mar/09/2010
Status: Offline
Points: 25709
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sportsfreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by BigCheese BigCheese wrote:

Beginning to think RIA maybe the only way to avoid FINRA...for now.

This^^^. But the operative words are "for now". I don't think they've let go of the idea of overseeing RIAs. There was an article in Investment News last week about how RIAs are getting away with all kinds of shit, and have a very high rate of being non compliant, because SEC and states just dont have the resources to do as "good" a job as FINRA in oversight and regulating all of them.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, then technically, you only had one piece
Back to Top
Iamlegend View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: Mar/09/2010
Status: Offline
Points: 23766
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Iamlegend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by under_complicated under_complicated wrote:

Yeah but it's on the disclosures (brochure aupplement/ADV) you give with every advisory account you open. If they sift through there and look at it it could be an issue.
it depends on the type or $ amount of the complaint. My 1complaint doesnt show on my adv2b but it does on brokercheck.
Back to Top
luvindy View Drop Down
Moderator
Moderator
Avatar

Joined: May/17/2010
Status: Offline
Points: 28219
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote luvindy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 2:03pm
I always like when the people that are writing the responses don't think through the fact that what they write will be published for all of the world to see. 

A note...think partly about actually responding to the claim, but think more importantly about what anyone reading it will think. There is no restriction on what you say in your response.

8/31/12,Sportsfreak:
"If Barak wins this election, or appears to be clearly winning, we are all fucked. Market will tank big time."
Dow 13,090 S&P 1406
5/23/13 UC:Dow 20k before 20% crrectn Dow 15,
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 3:05pm
Yeah my favorite Broker check is still Suze Ormond. Especially her response. Of that doesn't prove she's a hacktthen I have no idea what will.
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by Iamlegend Iamlegend wrote:

Originally posted by under_complicated under_complicated wrote:

Yeah but it's on the disclosures (brochure aupplement/ADV) you give with every advisory account you open. If they sift through there and look at it it could be an issue.
it depends on the type or $ amount of the complaint. My 1complaint doesnt show on my adv2b but it does on brokercheck.


True. Is it 5k or 10k?
Back to Top
Regreprob View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: May/10/2013
Status: Offline
Points: 257
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Regreprob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by under_complicated under_complicated wrote:

Yeah my favorite Broker check is still Suze Ormond. Especially her response. Of that doesn't prove she's a hacktthen I have no idea what will.

yup, that was worth it. LOL
Back to Top
Iamlegend View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: Mar/09/2010
Status: Offline
Points: 23766
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Iamlegend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/11/2014 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by under_complicated under_complicated wrote:

Originally posted by Iamlegend Iamlegend wrote:

Originally posted by under_complicated under_complicated wrote:

Yeah but it's on the disclosures (brochure aupplement/ADV) you give with every advisory account you open. If they sift through there and look at it it could be an issue.
it depends on the type or $ amount of the complaint. My 1complaint doesnt show on my adv2b but it does on brokercheck.


True. Is it 5k or 10k?

I think the breakpoint is 10k
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.078 seconds.